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Wednesday, July 19, 2006

NYC pro-Israel rally, 7/13/2006

I would have liked to have been there. It's a good feeling to stand up, literally, for your core values.


  • At 6:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    What are your "core values"?

  • At 10:59 PM , Blogger Brad Williams said...

    Why are you asking anonymously?

  • At 1:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Do your core values differ for each enquirer depending on a name/label which would give you no reliable information as to the enquirer in any case?

  • At 4:23 PM , Blogger Brad Williams said...

    People often comment anonymously when they are being dishonest or irresponsible, so it's a bad way to start with me.

  • At 4:56 PM , Blogger skeptikwon said...

    OK, now I have a name. What are your "core values" that you are standing up for?

    Is it a matter of core values to choose one side over another?

  • At 12:54 AM , Blogger Brad Williams said...

    Fair enough. The core value I meant is political freedom. Israel is the only Middle Eastern country which significantly values and protects individual rights. She is a small island of civilization within a sea of mystical, despotic regimes.

  • At 6:20 PM , Anonymous skeptikwon said...

    Do you know that? Or, have you been told that so many times that you've assimilated it as an "unquestioned truth"?

    Lebanon was a burgeoning democracy, with a society much more westernised and 'liberal' than Israel.

    For example, common law property rights were the same for everyone in Lebanon and there were no classes of citizen based on race or religion. They had universal sufferage decades before Israel too.

    That is not the case in Israel.

  • At 8:41 AM , Blogger Brad Williams said...

    The southern third of Lebanon has thousands of rockets aimed at Israel, murders Israelis every year, and the overriding purpose of the theocratic government there (Hezb'Allah) is to destroy Israel. The rest of Lebanon, including the "Lebanese army", outnumbers Hezb'Allah but does not value political freedom enough (over ethnic and religious tensions) to come together and remove Hezb'Allah, and is not generally supportive of Israel's mission to destroy the murderous and oppressive Hezb'Allah.

    As for Israel, I said it *significantly* values liberty, not perfectly.

    Are any of these statements incorrect?

  • At 3:45 AM , Anonymous skeptikwon said...

    Hizbollah is a Shiite resistance movement borne of Israel's previous brutal 22 year occupation. To say that their overriding purpose is to murder Israelis is hysterical and dogmatic.

    They were included in the democratic process and that was the only way they would ever be moderated and disarmed in reality.

    Israel has only made them stronger in Lebanon and across the arab world. They won't be destroyed.

    The US has lost its moral compass in urging Israel to kill civilians in such large numbers and to destroy a country in the early stages of democracy.

    Israel has not had a moral compass ever. I wonder if Americans knew what really went on in the middle east whether they would be happy to continue to prop Israel up.

    Their barbaric oppression of the indigenous population is a disgrace to everyone who feels they belong in the civilized world.

    Lebanon is just another chapter in a long list of Israeli atrocities and crimes against humanity.

    Are you aware that they effectively have a marxist economy?

  • At 3:52 AM , Anonymous skeptikwon said...

    Are you aware that the Israelis held a memorial service to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel by Irgun? Celebrating terrorism!!!



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